There probably aren't many attorneys who started down the road to law by attending hacker meetups— but Alexander Urbelis of New York's Blackstone Law Group is not your typical attorney.

In the latest episode of Law.com's Unprecedented podcast, Urbelis speaks with host Ben Hancock about his unusual career path from getting involved with 2600: The Hacker Quarterly, to becoming a lawyer for the U.S. Army JAG Corps and the CIA, and later joining Big Law. He also discusses the evolution of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, the biggest legal challenges facing the internet, how his background has shaped his information security-focused legal practice.

“Having that mindset of questioning the rules and questioning authority I think is a really great, complementary skillset to being a lawyer,” Urbelis says. “And I think that if you take the natural extension of what my definition is of a hacker, I think that probably the best lawyers would qualify as hackers as well.”

Listen to the full episode above, or download it from the Apple or Google Play stores. If you happen to be in Washington, you can also see Urbelis speak about blockchain security Friday at Breaking the Blockchain at the National Press Club.