'I hope this is the start of something bigger' - Barclays UK GC Pagni on 'turbo-charging' technology in law
Barclays UK GC Stephanie Pagni on the bank's launch of a law-tech hub and what she expects from partner law firms
April 27, 2018 at 08:47 AM
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The original version of this story was published on Law.com
Legal technology incubators have been described as the Starbucks of the legal industry, with one seemingly popping up on almost every corner.
But while many law firms are looking to get in on the ground floor with tech startups that could blossom into lucrative clients, Barclays has taken a different tack with its own venture, teaming up with 13 law firms, PwC and the Law Society in a collaborative effort to "turbo-charge the UK's law-tech sector".
The initiative is the brainchild of Barclays UK GC, Stephanie Pagni. Just a year into her role, she has made it clear that legal tech is a big priority for the bank.
"Obviously there is a lot of focus on the fintech area, particularly over the last five years in London, but it occurred to us that while some developments in legal tech are still relatively embryonic, there is no doubt that there is a lot more to come," says Pagni.
The new hub, which will be located in Notting Hill, is part of Barclays' 'Eagle Labs' programme, which was launched in 2016 as part of the bank's citizenship strategy to help drive economic growth in the communities in which it operates.
Barclays already has 14 other Eagle Labs dotted around the UK, including one in Cambridge that already hosts a handful of legal tech startups, but this newest launch will ramp up the initiative's focus on legal technology.
As Pagni, who took up her current role in March 2017, comments: "It kicked of last year when I took over this role and went to visit some of the labs. I was so impressed that it inspired me and my team in legal to think: 'Well, couldn't we do something more in our field?'"
Pagni has been at the bank for more than 12 years after joining from Allen & Overy in late 2005. She was previously global head of litigation, and took over the UK GC role last year from Mark Chapman, who is now general counsel at Nationwide.
Commenting on the application process for the law-tech lab, she says Barclays will invite groups of applicants of between two and eight people to pitch to work in the hub. "As we are focused on legal tech and reg-tech, the requirement is to have a proposition or a business idea that will help to positively disrupt either of those areas.
"The typical applicant has usually already acquired seed funding and already have a concept. We also want diverse propositions, so we will look not just at commercial applications, but also 'law for good' applications."
Barclays will not provide financial support, but Pagni notes the venture does offer benefits such as connections to the bank, its network and access to venture capitalists.
There is no set timeframe in terms of how long successful applicants will remain in the lab. "We will go through the process and once all the spaces are filled, we will keep things under review. Once they are past the startup and incubation phase, they won't need to be in the lab anymore."
Key to the launch was signing up 13 law firms, as well as other industry players including the Law Society and startup community Legal Geek. The law firms signed up are Allen & Overy, Baker McKenzie, Brethertons, Capital Law, Clifford Chance, Clyde & Co, DWF, Gowling WLG, Latham & Watkins, Norton Rose Fulbright, Simmons & Simmons, SO Legal and TLT.
"We looked at law firms with an interest in this area, and we looked at a whole spectrum from big commercial firms to smaller firms," says Pagni. "We want the partner law firms to be available to provide guidance and support, to attend some of the events and sponsor some of the events. We also want them to send in lawyers to get exposure."
Pagni adds that it is not obligatory for Barclays' panel law firms to be involved in this project. The bank is currently carrying out the last ever formal review of its global legal panel, after announcing that it is moving a new system that will see external advisers continually assessed and added or removed from the panel on an ad hoc basis.
The bank's UK in-house legal team has also played a key role in setting up the law-tech lab.
"The legal team was involved in the whole process, from identifying potential partners, to advising on repurposing branches of Barclays sites, right through to the fitout of those sites to become co-working places. It has been a team effort," says Pagni.
"There weren't too many tricky legal issues, but it took several months to get there and the team has done a really good job," she adds.
Going forward, the legal team will be encouraged to make regular visits to the legal lab: "There will be people spending a day there, or a week or just a couple of days a month. There will be all sorts of variations for lawyers. This could potentially be of benefit to the whole legal function."
In future, Pagni says Barclays may consider more legal-tech launches. "If it is successful, there is no reason why we wouldn't consider other future legal-tech sites. I very much hope this is the start of something bigger."
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