Donna Wilson and Linda Kornfeld did not hit it off the first time they met.

But fast forward a decade or so and the duo is a Big Law power couple—engaged to be married, raising a teenage daughter and thriving in their respective careers.

Wilson, a data privacy lawyer, is the new CEO and managing partner of Manatt, Phelps & Phillips, while Kornfeld leads Blank Rome’s insurance recovery practice on the West Coast.

In this week’s Legal Speak podcast, the couple talks with Law.com reporter and editor Lizzy McLellan about how they juggle work and family, their experiences as openly gay attorneys, and whether the legal industry has made meaningful strides on diversity and inclusion.

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