On the back of a successful year, Mayer Brown is positioning itself for further growth in 2022 and beyond, beginning with the recent launch of a Salt Lake City office. "You're either growing or you're dying," chair Jon Van Gorp said in an interview. For Mayer Brown, that means navigating the war for talent and helping clients do the same. In this conversation, which has been lightly edited, Van Gorp discusses how his role as a burgeoning podcast host contributes to that effort, how he's working to provide attorneys the balance they need, and why law firms and their clients face similar challenges right now.