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In this Legal Speak episode, we examine the high stress levels among legal professionals—those who aren't lawyers—and how the rigid hierarchies in many law firms contribute to their mental health challenges.

As part of our Minds Over Matters project, Law.com reporter Dylan Jackson interviews three industry pros who talk about how legal professionals, including marketing directors, business developers and law firm administrators, often feel under-appreciated and misunderstood at work. They also address how these employees feel left out of the mental health initiatives launched by law firms to address anxiety, depression and substance abuse among lawyers.

Sharing their expertise are Lynn Foley, former practice development director at White & Case and founder of legal consulting firm fSquared Marketing; Patrick Krill, founder of Krill Strategies, a behavioral health consulting firm; and Deborah Farone, former chief business development and communications officer at Cravath, Swaine & Moore and now head of Farone Advisors.

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