When a man from the Office of the White House Counsel called Nancy Hollander to tell her President Barack Obama had decided to commute her client Chelsea Manning’s 35-year prison sentence, Hollander, a 38-year veteran criminal defense lawyer failed in one respect.

“I actually didn’t get his name. I was too focused on hearing what he told me,” Hollander said, explaining why she doesn’t know the name of who precisely it was who told Manning’s commutation would happen, two minutes before the White House announced it.

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